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Re: Java, please stop ruining my fun.

Linus Ericsson — Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:02:44 -0000

Today it's Leiningen that takes care of all this. Maybe Phils Corkscrew project mentioned here evolved into Leiningen?

I repeat: Don't try this at home, use Leiningen instead.

Thank you!

Re: Java, please stop ruining my fun.

justin — Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:26:32 -0000

Yes, I should have updated this post after this project came out. I haven't played with leiningen much, but it's clear that the situation is now much better.

Re: Java, please stop ruining my fun.

Henrik Sarvell — Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:25:56 -0000

I know this is an old article but just for people stumbling in from Google searches, we now have http://github.com/technoman... to alleviate the above pain.

Re: Java, please stop ruining my fun.

Timothy Pratley — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:02:44 -0000

Excellent articulation of the pain points Java inflicts.

Re: Java, please stop ruining my fun.

mebaran — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:48:15 -0000

I think alot of the Java badness is mostly due to its reliance on IDE's. If you use the Enclojure plugin for Netbeans, repl'ing, building, and runnining your project become trivial because it manages the evils of Classpath and friends and gives you quick tools to run your REPL from within the GUI. However it's hooks are essentially masks over the obtuseness of Java configuration.

I have to admit, I do miss the convenience of Rubygems.....

Re: Java, please stop ruining my fun.

justin — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:13:37 -0000

Corkscrew looks pretty good, I'll try it out sometime. This tool, combined with some tools like Mark's that make working on the command line easier could really take some of the Java nastiness out of an otherwise elegant language.

Re: Java, please stop ruining my fun.

justin — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:10:20 -0000

I wrote essentially the same thing myself, but perhaps I'll start using yours. Yours looks a bit slicker, and the more people we have using the same tool, the more likely it will be to work itself into the standard workflow.

Re: Java, please stop ruining my fun.

Phil — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:12:28 -0000

> After reading a bit I find that Maven downloads and builds dependencies and installs them in a local repository, along with the library you are trying to compile. Perfect! Sounds like exactly what I want. However, it doesn’t mention anything about the classpath.

You can run "mvn process-resources" and Maven will unpack all your dependencies into the target/dependency directory. That way you can keep your classpath simple.

You can also check out Corkscrew, which is a project I've created to handle dependencies for Clojure projects without writing any icky XML or knowing anything about Maven. (It uses Maven under the covers, but you don't have to touch it.) http://github.com/technoman...

It's still pretty early in the development stage, but it already makes things easier for me.

Re: Java, please stop ruining my fun.

Mark Reid — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:07:31 -0000

I had a similar cringe of disgust when I started playing with Clojure so my first priority was to set up a simple environment that hid a lot of the painful classpath nonsense and even I wrote up how I did it.

Granted, it's a little bit of messing around but you'll only have to do it once and then you can just type `clj` from anywhere in your shell and be in the REPL. Extra libraries can be easily added on a per-project basis by adding their names to a `.clojure` file in the project's directory. When you run `clj` in this directory all the named paths or jars are automatically added.

Hope that eases the pain somewhat.

Regards,

Mark.